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it's actually working, 1 don't know. I think it's been too soon. RAY: I believe Mr. Olesen furnished us with some information at the Pahoa Public Hearing on that model so that should be in our voluminous file somewhere. Steve, did you have a question? BESS: Just this alternative method of the City and County of Honolulu. Do you know whether or not that's blanket authority to combine or separate functions of departments or are there guidelines under which he can combine or separate? GOLDSTEIN: I don't know. KOKUBUN: I could comment to that. I think one of the issues there was it only refers to existing authorities and existing departmental functions so it's not like the Mayor can go over and beyond what the Charter already provides but he can mix and match within what the Charter provides. BESS: And to your knowledge, there are no guidelines? KOKUBUN: I'm not aware of that part. I'm sure there are some kind of guidelines. RAY: Ms. Irvine. IRVINE: Actually, my impression was that Jeremy Harris did a major overhaul, some of which things, took Charter Amendments to be implemented, others didn't, and 1 cannot find the paper that we have right now, but we do have it somewhere in our vast files. RAY: Other questions on this specific - Gary. YOSHIYAMA: Virginia, simple question. What's the public benefit and what's the cost? GOLDSTEIN: To consolidating the permitting process? The public benefit clearly is to streamline the permit process. I think the public benefit is this, that there is some amount of functions that Public Works presently has that would be better combined together, and it doesn't matter where, but particularly in the subdivision ordinance and the subdivision process, where, for example, the construction drawings get reviewed by Public Works rather than the Planning Department because the Planning Department, for example, does not have engineers within its staff, and that 13