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• HERKES: That's an interesting change. I'm not against it. IRVINE: Yes, but down below, it does say they advise. HIGASHI: Just let me ask this question then. If they're not advisory, are they policy makers? Are they equivalent to a Board of Water Supply Commission? HERKES: No, Planning Commission. HIGASHI: Planning Commission is only to move along zoning issues. They're not policy makers for the department. HERKES: Gee, they'd be surprised to hear that. HIGASHI: So if you take away `advisory' then they're not advisory, what authority do they have? IRVINE: Down below, again, it says that they shall advise, so they really are advisory, but we did talk about the fact that they want somebody to set sewer rates, and whether this would be a function that would be given to them at some point in time, I don't know. If we leave advisory out of above - HERKES: IRVINE: Solid waste, wastewater, recycling programs. I think it might be nice to leave `advisory' off. HIGASHI: No, no, Marni, I think the programs are defined but when we're talking about the members who are serving, they're advisory, and that's all they are. They're going to make suggestions and then they're going to have money, they're going to have to go to the Council to implement their programs. HERKES: Let me throw something out. Do we need a Commission? Why don't we just have a department, and if a Commission is necessary, they can put it in the Charter next year, or the year after, once they get the department set up. IRVINE: That's a little like throwing the baby out with the bath water. I think there has been a Commission presently, the Recycle Hawaii and the County, I can't think of the exact name of the Commission that's been meeting that John Santangelo was sitting on. HERKES: It's not a Commission. IRVINE: No, it's an advisory committee of some sort. RAY: It's a committee, yes. 28