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KAHAWAIOLA'A: It deals with everything that's Hawaiian Affairs. You will not find it <br />nowhere else. <br />• JIM: Nowhere else. <br />KAHAWAIOLA'A: They've incorporated it. It used to be Article 11. When they made <br />the `78 Constitutional Convention, they moved everything into the Hawaiian Affairs, <br />Article 12, at the ConCon of 78. Not private land, it doesn't talk about what can be <br />done. All the volumes in Article 12 deals with Hawaiian Affairs, the Admissions Act, all <br />those types of Statutes that deal with Hawaiian Affairs. <br />JIM: Article 12, Section 2 — it's a compact that the State and its people, <br />which you are, to uphold the Hawaiian Home Commission Act. It's as simple as that. <br />HIGASHI: So, we're not talking about a Hawaiian who owns his own land, has <br />his own destiny/control. <br />JIM: It's all in one. <br />KAHAWAIOLA'A: Yes, I understand what you're saying. And maybe you can correct <br />me. Are you saying if a Hawaiian owns something in Kaumana, that this language was <br />impact on that up in Kaumana. I don't think so. I think it's clear in the geographical <br />locations. My point being, the geographical locations as described in here, says `limits <br />the Island of Hawaii and all the lands within the'. Well unfortunately, the map should <br />• <br />say, and I think somebody gave me a graphic illustration once, that the map of the <br />Island of Hawaii should be there with a lot of holes. The holes are those pockets that <br />were identified as Hawaiian home lands, and that jurisdiction, I think, still is not <br />questionable, but it is unquestionable that this county does not have the - And that's, <br />please, not Kahawaiola'a who said that. It's the Corporation Counsel of your - <br />s <br />JIM: Matsukawa made clear findings on it. Very, very clear, your <br />County Council, under Lorraine, and Mr. Wurdeman made it very clear on his Opinion. <br />He used - <br />HIGASHI: For us, it's got to be Mr. Yuen, has got to make it very clear to us. <br />JIM: Okay, yes. <br />KAHAWAIOLA'A: And, obviously, he knows those individuals. <br />HIGASHI: Somebody needs to do the research. Well anyway, I was just <br />concerned, Patrick, that if somebody outside owns and, and he says I'm Native <br />Hawaiian, so you cannot - <br />KAHAWAIOLA'A: Yes, I understand. That's why I said I needed to make it clear what <br />you meant. No, because I think this language only talks about except on the lands of <br />12 <br />