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departments throughout the nation as to what is the minimum qualification you would want in a Police Chief. MS. JARMAN: My second question is that there is no qualification for somebody to be a Police Commissioner. So, I could be a Police Commissioner, and I really know very little, I know next to nothing about law enforcement. Are you fine with not having any Police Commissioners being required to have some experience in law enforcement? DEP. CHIEF FERREIRA: The Police Commission is an oversight board for the department, so they do not necessarily have to have law enforcement background or experience. They have to have the feel of the community. They have to be able to be appointed to the board, and be receptive to whatever concerns the community would raise, not necessarily knowing what my expertise or my job is. They have to be able to reach out to the community, and the community has to be able to approach them, give them their problems, and trust in them enough to come to them with their concerns. They don't necessarily have to know my job, the police officer's job. That's what we are here for, that's what the attorneys are here for. They can always call us as witnesses; they can always call anyone in the department to explain to them what the actual procedures or policies are. MS. JARMAN: So, you feel that is working well, at this point. DEP. CHIEF FERREIRA: Yes. MS. JARMAN: Okay, thank you very much. CHR. HAITSUKA: Are there any other questions? MR. NAHALE -A: Mr. Ben, are you involved in the recruitment of the Police Chief and the Fire Chief? MR. BEN: Not specifically, but we have been asked, and we have provided assistance when asked. MR. NAHALE -A: In terms of the minimum standards, do you do that research for them? MR. BEN: I don't recall us doing that particular function for them. I think they did it on their own. If I may comment on that point, we need to be very careful when we use the minimum qualifications, to make sure that they are valid and appropriate. Minimum qualifications simply mean that's the minimum you need in order to perform the function of the position. We need to be careful that we don't set artificial minimums that in effect might start disqualifying other candidates who may be otherwise qualified. MR. NAHALE -A: On that note, some of the language in the Charter says, five years of related experience. My hunch is those are worthless words. Anybody can make some kind of connection. This theme keeps coming up over and over again, and it sounds to me like the 29