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issue of qualification is handled in some other process. Either the Police Commission articulates something or - -- MR. BEN: Yes, it has been. MR. NAHALE -A: Maybe it should be seven years of successful experience, maybe it should be eight and one half years of -- -When do we stop articulating criteria in the Charter? Should it bean accredited degree, or should it be just a degree? So, that's your field of expertise, and I'm curious how we balance. These minimums seem to be basically a non - issue, that since we are going so far and above the minimum requirements, then what place do they have in the Charter? MR. BEN: The desire of the Commission to seek persons with higher qualifications, for lack of a better term, isn't really in violation of the provisions. They are using those factors to distinguish one candidate being a superior candidate than somebody who has only five years of experience. MR. NAHALE -A: They basically qualify under the Charter. MR. BEN: Right. Even though we don't have authority, when these things do happen, we are keeping an eye to see that there is some semblance to what the requirements of the job are. MR. NAHALE -A: If we had a Mayor that appointed somebody with absolutely no qualifications to do a job, is there some other check in our system to question that appointment? MR. BEN: That, to me, is left to the voters, subsequently, if they feel that somebody who is not qualified for the job, is not doing the job. CHR. HAITSUKA: Mr. Ben, since we have you up here, and we're talking about the Police Department, perhaps you could state the basis for your recommendation for Section 7 -2.5. MR. BEN: Right, that's why I came up. I realize I did not explain that. As Commissioner Jarman pointed out, it's a redundant provision. Furthermore, it's a little bit complicated, because although we have that in the civil service laws, the collective bargaining agreement, the union contracts that cover the police officers also dictate procedures to be followed when disciplining and terminating and suspending police officers. There is actually another body of rules and regulations that we need to follow. But, basically it is a redundant provision. CHR. HAITSUKA: I think I would agree. I found it odd that only for this department you had a section like that. MR. SHUMWAY: Mr. Chair, can I talk about Alapaki's comment about people with not enough experience being appointed. Doesn't the County Council have to approve? That's the check, right. 30