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should have the authority to investigate wrongdoings which , presently, they do not do. Honolulu department does and so another reference is , of course, you have a long task ahead of you and certainly, going to other jurisdictions. I know the Honolulu Police Commission investigates allegations of police wrongdoing . Our department does not. What happens is it goes back to the department , you know, so it ' s like the department investigating their own wrongdoing. JUVIK : Un-huh. IBARRA : And I know Honolulu commission does have the authority to investigate wrongdoings but right now our department does not have. Or at least it hasn ' t been exercised except for purposes of inquiry . JUVIK : So what does the Police Commission spend most of its time doing? IBARRA : Well, that ' s a good question and I' ve. . .I' ve attended some Police Commission meetings and they last anywhere from 5 minutes to 20 minutes. The. . .you know, I. . .to answer you bluntly , I think the Police Commission just listens to what the Chief tells ' em. You know, as far as crime rates , and. . .in fact , I' m not saying this is our commission , but there ' s a. . .there ' s a danger of certainly of. . .of like any parttime agency just barely rubber stamping the fulltime director ' s proposals , etcetera. And. . .a. . .that ' s why I. . .when I was managing director, I felt that it was imperative that the mayor' s office exercise the provision--general supervision and control of the mayor--as to the day-to-day activites, you know, such as reviewing overtime, reviewing sick leave , all this day-to-day stuff, because if the commission doesn' t do it , then no one will. The Police Chief and the other department directors would go unchecked. JUVIK : So you would assume, as well as the citizens , oversight (inaudible) keep track of the. . .what ' s going on in the Police Department , in terms of public interest? IBARRA : Yeah. I would think that the commission, yes. . . getting input from the citizens and would tell the Chief , look , we ' re having. . .here we have a lot of marijuana problems, why don' t you pursue marijuana. And not tell the chief , pursue it by doing green harvest or undercover (inaudible) like that. JUVIK : More so. . .acting as a liaison from the public to the Chief , so to speak? IBARRA : I. . . I. . . I think the. . .the. . .that ' s one purpose. Because , supposedly , the commissioners are all lay people , supposed to be more accessible to the public , and the public has a forum to go and express their their concerns. And that one purpose, certainly , is the commission to. . .after hearing all of 34