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So they get around the. . .requiring appropriations of a later fiscal year. BETHEA : What I 'm asking is how do they make the first appropriation that the Council has? IBARRA : The first budget year. In the budget session. . .in the budget hearing , there ' s again a line item that says contractual services. And so you would have money appropriated to enter into contracts. BETHEA : Now is that specific though? Is it described in the budget? IBARRA : Contract services. . .contractual services is the line item. BETHEA : Yeah, but I mean, it doesn ' t say what contract? IBARRA : No. But the fact that it requires money from another fiscal year. . .a good example is utilities , telephones. You enter into this equipment contract with Hawaiian Tel for these new-fangled telephones for five years? You would need the Council approval to commit to Council to appropriating the money for the later fiscal year. You may have it for one year. But then you have no authority to bind the County financially for more than one fiscal year, because again in the Charter it says before any contract will be signed under 13-13, the Finance Director has to certify that there are appropriate funds to cover the contract. And without an appropriation from the Council , the Finance Director would not be able to certify that this five-year contract has funds appropriated . He can appropriate up to the present fiscal year but not beyond, as far as certification. JUVIK : Excuse me , can I return just for one minute the. . . what we were discussing earlier about the right the (inaudible) right of the Council itself to retain consultants or , in the conflict with the mayor. . .potential conflict with the Mayor over this. You see , for example , in Honolulu with the garbage-to- energy conversion and with the mass transit where the Council may. . . I mean, it ' s such a complicated. . .technical issues are involved that maybe Council feels they want a second opinion on an administrative initiative , whether it ' s a. . .the kind of sewage treatment plant or the kind of garbage energy plant, but they ' re not necessarily willing to buy the administration ' s rationale or costs or whatever. Yet they ' re constrained because they can ' t go out and get. . .marshal the technical expertise that the administration has at its call. And, so I guess what I 'm saying is , right now the mayor has that. . .the mayor can stop them from. . . IBARRA : Can? Yes. 51