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these are all the Corp. Counsel , Finance , Planning , Research and Development, and Safety Department. . .they ' re all created by Charter and directly supervised by the mayor. On the next line , Civil Service , Police, Liquor Control and Water Supply , now. . .the Charter says they ' re under a Commission; however , the Charter also says they come under the general administrative control over. . .of the mayor. So , in that respect , the commission of those agencies serve as policy makers for those commissions. But the day-to-day. . .the administrative control falls under the . supervision of the mayor. And, of course, some of these commission[s] hears appeals concerning their director' s decision , such as Civil Service , when there is an employee in the County that ' s challenging the director of Civil Service[ ' s] decision. . .that person can appeal to the Civil Service Commission. As far as the Police Commission , the Police Commission is a real strange case. The Police Commission in Hawaii County does not have the authority--although they have the authority indirectly , because they appointed the Police Chief , and the Police Chief appoints, with the concurrence of the Commission, his deputy--the Police Commission in essence cannot interfere , pursuant to the Charter , of the day-to-day activities of the department. That is left to the Police Chief . And if the mayor does not get involved in overseeing the day-to-day activities of the Police Department , the Police Chief , in essence, would be unsupervised. Okay. Because. . .I ' ll give you an example. There are at times , unfortunately , when the public complains about actions of a police officer. The Police Commission receives it and will listen to it but basically has no authority to tell. . .or direct, under the Charter--realistically, if they use their powers right , they can because they appoint the Chief--but the. . . the response always given is that the Commission cannot interfere with the day-to-day activities of the Police Department. And that ' s left to the Police Chief. However, under the Charter, you know, the Charter vests the administrative supervision and control of the department under the mayor. So , as Corp. Counsel, I ' ve taken the. . .the opinion that then the mayor can intercede into the day-to-day. . .into the day-to-day activities of the Police Department. Similarly. . . JUVIK : Excuse me. IBARRA: Yes. JUVIK : The. . .in this line, the Civil Service, Police and so on. . .those department heads are not appointed by the mayor obviously. They ' re appointed by the commissions. And, therefore, it ' s not clear to me exactly if the mayor tells the Police Chief to do something , a. . . IBARRA : . . .and they don ' t follow it . . . JUVIK : . . .where. . .and how. . .does that , however, break down? 31