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advertised across the state. There was no one in the state that could fill those positions . And we flew someone in from Texas to teach for a semester . And everything worked out fine. Now that was an unusual situation. For the university, it' s not that unusual. But for the County, I would think that that would be a relatively unusual situation. And I would argue for there being an escape clause, so that in the event that there is not someone locally that. . . that you can go outside. See, within the minimum qualifications , you can have residency require- ments , you can have familiarity with local customs , you can have a whole variety- of things togive preference to local people. That ' s fine. But the diff. . . the primary difference is , it seems to me, that the emphasis would be on training , and expertise. CUSHNIE: So rather than sacrifice the qualifications , we should be willing to forego the residency requirements if the two were not fillable as positions . . .that position? SMITH: That would be my preference, yes . Forego the residency. If that ' s the tradeoff , but as I say, I don' t think that that would be necessary. It depends on the position, you know, on a. . . there are some positions which are very crucial and vital, - having an island-trained person in that slot. And if you can' t find someone who' s been on the island for a year that meets the MQs , then you certainly should go off island . And if you can' t find someone in the state the meets the MQs , then I would argue that you should go out of state. CUSHNIE: Uh-huh. SMITH: And I would hope a resident of Hawaii . . . I 'd like to '.see. . . I 'd like to see. . . I teach public administra- tion at the university,, I 'd like to see local and internal people hired. And I think in the overwhelming majority of cases , that would be possible. But I think as well, that: if it's not possible, . then we should put the interest of the people of the County of Hawaii first and get the best people for those positions . GREENWELL: I think the fact. . . the strong-mayor position. . . I 've worked under two mayors , ShunichiKimura and Dante Carpenter , both being completely different from each other . During Shun's time, there was a better relationship I think between the Council and the depart- ment heads . And the department heads were more less qualified than those that were in during Carpenter ' s time. But there was a greater relationship at that time where everybody was working together where, even though the 169