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MR. CADINHA: So then your recommendation would <br /> be then to caveat any spending limits or real property tax limits <br /> with the council having the authority to ignore or disregard <br /> limits if the situation is such. Is that correct? <br /> MR. MOSS: I don ' t know whether you'd put it <br /> on all three of those. You ' ll notice we went at this three ways. <br /> We said the general fund shouldn ' t rise any faster than the <br /> economy. And number two, we tried to put a limit on the debt <br /> limit but not a fixed limit. We didn ' t say $40 million.. You <br /> know, the national government has a debt limit in a certain <br /> number of millions , or billions , or trillions of dollars. I don ' t <br /> know what it is but about every 4 years, or every 2 years , Congress <br /> has to pass a law that changes that debt limit because it isn' t <br /> sliding. . .It isn ' t sliding. You' ll notice all of these have been <br /> made contingent on a sliding scale.0 As the economy grows , the <br /> general fund budget can grow and the debt limit can grow. But <br /> they can ' t grow skyhigh in any one time. This is what we are <br /> trying to do. Now, those two possibly you put in a two-thirds <br /> vote of the council and you can hold it up temporarily, in case <br /> of an emergency or something. But the property tax is something <br /> else again. It seems to me that is the thing that should be <br /> pretty well nailed down. And, incidentally, the last time the <br /> Council Chairman, Mr. Yamashiro, was over . to Kona to talk to us <br /> he mentioned that in this business of the county ' s taking over <br /> the real property assessment, that they were thinking very <br /> seriously of, just this kind of approach. Now, I don' t know <br /> whether it belongs .there or it belongs in the charter. Person- <br /> ally, I think it belongs in the charter but maybe your State <br /> Constitution will override the County Charter and maybe he is <br /> right , maybe it should be this inter-county agreement of how <br /> they are going to tax real property. Right now, I 'd like to <br /> see it in the charter, myself. <br /> MR. CADINHA: They are all interrelated though. <br /> The county budget is directly related to therpmount of tax <br /> revenues that we have. If you have ceilings on one it ultimately <br /> affects the other.. .If you are starting with the taxation <br /> picture. And I agree in concept that if my family had been on <br /> a piece of property and I was third generation and some sheik ; <br /> flew in from the middle east and paid ten tenfOlat,if6rtiWproperty <br /> next door that my taxes would be based on what he paid for the <br /> land , that ' s not fair. I understand that. My concern, though, is <br /> that there is too much discrimination against the newcomers , <br /> potentially, and then if we do not have an increase in value and <br /> we have an economically depressing state such as in the ' 30 ' s <br /> or something. Maybe not that bad , but you could have prert+tyvr <br /> wide swings in some of these values from the property rates , <br /> today. If you've got ceilings on it you could find yourself in <br /> aP trying roblem. I 'm tr in to reconcile these things in my mind also. <br /> MR. MOSS: In the County Handbook there is a <br /> pretty good rundowno the increase in assessed value of property <br /> in the county. It h'as been rising right along pretty steadily. <br /> I agree with you, you may see the ' 30 ' s again sometime but it <br /> certainly doesn ' t look it: from past history. <br /> As I said, all of these limits that we proposed; : . <br /> we tried to make it so that we didn 't cause any drastic changes - <br /> - 19 - <br />