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MR. TRULSON : Mr. Mayor. I think perhaps <br /> it is the unencumbered balances in agencies, not money that <br /> has already been spoken for. In other words, say there is <br /> an excess or a surplus of money in this one agency. At the <br /> present time, your office is the only one that can transfer <br /> this money over to this agency that maybe needs it. <br /> MAYOR MATAYOSHI : Another agency within the <br /> department, yes. Not outside agencies. That goes through <br /> the county council for transfer but the initiation of it <br /> comes out of my office and I think this is correct. If maybe <br /> it is not now encumbered but it is going to be used for something <br /> it should be handled. . .On top of that if you look at the budget <br /> quite often you have some, balances as a source of income. And too <br /> sometimes the council , in their efforts to balance, have a <br /> tendency of increasing their fund balance. . .then for me to <br /> balance it at the end of the year, I ' ll have to meet that <br /> project, right. I may have to hold it. Then these are <br /> appropriated but unexpended funds. It is just virtually savings. <br /> It is not a surplus, as everyone is led to believe. It is <br /> savings in operation. And this is important for operations. <br /> And the management should be accountable for savings. And the <br /> manager who should be accountable for it is the Mayor. For <br /> efficiency of operations and also for achievement of goals is <br /> also the Mayor ' s responsibilities. But you cannot frustrate it. <br /> You have an operation like yours , an office, you <br /> appropriate x number of dollars for this , this, and this and <br /> okay that is your program. So you are moving along and you say <br /> okay, prioritywise in manpower and service you say project (a) <br /> is priority. So you are putting all the moneys in there, what- <br /> ever, and you are spending it. Project (b) , project (c ) you have <br /> money but you are letting it slide for a little while because <br /> you will come to it later on. If the board of directors were to <br /> say well, Trulson, you haven ' t done anything with this so take <br /> it and put it onto another department. You are going to say, <br /> wait a minute. Right? Then the tendency for you, as a <br /> department or a division chief is to spend everything right <br /> along the line so that nothing would happen and there would be <br /> no withdrawal. But that would not be good management of <br /> programs, nor good management of funds. You have begun to <br /> develop people who will spend for the sake of spending so that <br /> the thing will not move out of the department, right? That is <br /> wrong. You must do it as efficiently as possible. Be account- <br /> able for the money and see what happens. That same thing, this <br /> is the money you have, that is what you run it for. You 've <br /> got one year to run it. <br /> MR. CADINHA: Mr. Mayor. I have a question with <br /> regards to this. Under the present language, the transferal of <br /> funds within a given department, let ' s say that in the budgeting <br /> that comes down for council approval , there are x number of <br /> dollars to hire 50 more patrolmen in the police department and <br /> the logic behind the passing and acceptance of this budget is <br /> that 25 of those are going to be needed in Kona and 25 are <br /> going to be needed in Hilo, or 10 in Ka' u, or whatever it is. <br /> -15- <br />