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two in Hawaii , we don ' t have to face that. Other states like <br /> California, New York and Pennsylvania and Ohio they have this <br /> movement and it is quite practical. <br /> One point was made in Waimea by Mr. Sameshima <br /> that it was desirable to have a certain number of councilmen <br /> as a minimum because it would be difficult for influence <br /> peddling. I don ' t believe that is the only reason.'We can avoid <br /> that situation because the way in which we select them, I think, <br /> has a greater bearing than making it difficult to influence by <br /> lobbying and so forth in a small number. <br /> The question of the selection of the council <br /> whether it should be at-large or not. I think one reference <br /> was made in Waimea also `:and.. it makes quite a case and a very <br /> practical case against election at-large . '.it was pointed out <br /> that Molokai has their representive in council elected normally <br /> in Maui because they have the votes and they choose people that <br /> seem to suit their preference. That might be a unique situation <br /> but nevertheless former Councilman Robert Yamada made the point <br /> in Hilo that we have to expect the councilmen to be individuals <br /> and that they wi_11 tend to favor the districts from which they <br /> come regardless of whether they were elected at-large. <br /> Now there is nothing wrong with a councilman <br /> being interested in his community. He is informed, he knows <br /> what the appropriations will do and so forth. There is no <br /> reason why he should -:apologize for being partisan to that <br /> district. The problem is to_ make sure that each andevery one <br /> of the other districts is equallyell._represented so that they <br /> get their day in court and have a choice. And; -actually, it <br /> desirable that the men have views and strong views and well <br /> founded views. That is the way -w,wa_ll : have . good appropriations <br /> and good selection. If the nine districts were equally <br /> represented the proper compromise would be made. West Hawaii <br /> has seen the weakness of that because there is no question but <br /> over a period of time the CIP funds have not been, equitably _ <br /> distributed in the County of Hawaii . It has worked to the <br /> detriment, not only of Hilo..who has had the benefit of it , but <br /> to Kona as well because actually money wisely spent is good for <br /> the whole county and not just for the local area. That is the <br /> point we could make in detail. <br /> I 'm trying to think of the things that have <br /> been covered to avoid repetition and I think to some extent that <br /> we have had some of the other views that I was going to mention <br /> already brought to your attention. If there are any questions <br /> I would like to have a chance to address them and clarify any <br /> of the points that were brought up previously. <br /> MR. CADINHA: Mr. Murray, you seemed to have an <br /> opinion when I asked Mr. Moss about the Sunset provision and how <br /> it should be structured. You seemed: to have an opinion about that. <br /> Would you elaborate? <br /> MR. MURRAY: I would, speaking from my own <br /> experience rather than as a member of the West Hawaii Committee. <br /> -11- <br />