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Ms. Kahakalau: <br />Mr. Yoshimoto: <br />Mr. Robinson: <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />because they could have had an open hearing and they didn't know <br />to ask for it. <br />I just don't ever recall having an informal hearing in an executive <br />session...that I know of. But my question is basically...what if I <br />have questions about the procedure? Is your office available to me <br />in terms of asking questions that will clarify the procedure and you <br />know ask for recommendations as to how I need to prepare <br />appropriately for the informal and then as if it would go to a formal <br />hearing for the formal hearing as well. <br />So if there's an inquiry or question from the public as far as how <br />the process happens here...we provide that information to the <br />public...in terms of recommendations we don't advise them as <br />what to do...but we give them all the information that we have <br />available to us...as far as the process...filing the petition...having <br />the hearing day. And the letter that we send to the petitioner also <br />includes information as far as how our process works. And <br />whether they want to have an open or closed hearing so. Yeah we <br />provide them with all that information. <br />You know I want to go back to something that you brought up and <br />that was representation by union. I know those 10 years I did on <br />the Civil Service Commission here for the County...that every <br />time we got an appeal there was usually union representative there. <br />Particularly with SHOPO but also with other...and they were very <br />active in participating provide advice. I don't think that County <br />employees get that kind of service from the union if they have an <br />ethics complaint...do they? I mean civil service is one thing but <br />ethics is... Could they go to the union and say...hey can you assist <br />me here I want to file an ethics complaint. I don't know. <br />Well, I think it will be up to the union if they wanted to do it or <br />not. I mean...this other county has it or we have it. I've never <br />seen a union person come to an ethics meeting but what if someone <br />it did involve indirectly because you know you could terminate <br />someone. We don't but our recommendation we send a report to <br />the administrative agency. So it's possible but I don't know if the <br />union would do it right. It's not a condition of employment right. <br />It's not like a...is it disciplinary or not? At that point it may not be <br />disciplinary because it's only an informal hearing right...it's not a <br />contested hearing. It's a good question. I don't see any harm in <br />putting it in... but then again...is it misleading to someone...I'm <br />calling my union why aren't you here. That's a good point we <br />should think about. <br />10 <br />