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Ms. Sumner -Mack: <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Ms. Sumner -Mack: <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Ms. Kahakalau: <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Mr. Robinson: <br />someone who comes forward...of course they get the notice of the <br />hearing...right? I think they get a copy of the rules and I think the <br />Maui rules are clear enough I would understand. Right...it says <br />you have an informal hearing...it's not the real thing...it's kind of <br />like informal...you get an opinion as to how the board's gonna rule <br />and you can have a real trial so to speak. Not a trial of course but a <br />real hearing...contested hearing. So that's true but do we wanna <br />provide more than that? <br />I'm just suggesting that in addition to the Maui rules that we put in <br />as e. that provides for... <br />Oh...right. On that point I agree. <br />That's all I'm suggesting. <br />Okay. <br />I think that's fine and I agree if the rules are readable. You know <br />if a layman can read it and feel comfortable and feel clear on how <br />this is gonna go down kind of thing. Then I think we don't need to <br />provide anything additional if it becomes a little bit legalese and <br />further more too long. If I'm gonna get a packet with something <br />that's however thick it is you that's already gonna kind of turn me <br />off or certainly scare me in saying oh my goodness you know I <br />gotta not only just read and figure it out but also kind of act and <br />move according to all of these things. I think that's a little...can be <br />a little bit overwhelming for a citizen you know who just wants to <br />do the right thing by pointing out that you know he...in his or her <br />opinion there's some ethical violation by some county employee. <br />Getting...a book kind of thrown at them I would be a little bit <br />concerned about that. <br />I do think that they should get the rules though and I do say this is <br />why I'm not writing it because...I mean I'm gonna take all the <br />substantive stuff from all the minutes and where we made changes <br />I want to put together a document but then it's going to our special <br />review of Nan and the Judge to work on that aspect. Yes. I'll <br />leave that to them. <br />Could I ask a question of process from the corp. counsel side. <br />Someone submits an ethics complaint do we send them anything or <br />we just let them know that they are scheduled for a certain day or <br />do we send them the practices or anything like that. <br />13 <br />