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Mr. Goodenow: <br />Mr. Robinson: <br />Because many of us don't come from legal backgrounds or not all <br />of us come from legal backgrounds and so we should also be able <br />to read it...you know without having to get advice from somebody <br />else. <br />And to be honest in a lot of... I think what happened was Maui <br />amended their rules and they kept the sum of the stuff that we have <br />is identical right. Like if you looked at you know formal hearing <br />how...but they updated it and here's the bottom line on Maui. <br />They have assessed civil fines and they...like us it would say...our <br />informal advisory opinion you should pay us a fine of $50 or file <br />this right...you know file it. Well if they correct it and file <br />it...their disclosure statement or something they don't have to pay <br />the fine. And they've had a hundred percent compliance with that <br />apparently. And they've levied fines but no one has appealed it so <br />there's no judicial review of their rules but they're working now <br />they're actually...they give you a fine if you don't file your <br />financial disclosure statement on time. 50 bucks. <br />I like that. <br />Ms. Sumner -Mack: I do too...I thought...I think it's odd that we don't ever mention <br />fines. <br />Ms. Kahakalau: <br />Mr. Robinson: <br />Ms. Kahakalau: <br />Mr. Goodenow: <br />Ms. Kahakalau: <br />Ms. Sumner -Mack: <br />I agree as well. An incentive right. Okay so that was 5.5. Are <br />there any other questions, comments, concerns for 6 or 7? <br />6 or 7...oh within the amendments. <br />The rule 6...no I'm on 5. Rule 5 but I think 5 we're kind of at the <br />end of it. 5.5 was the last part. It's the last part of 5 so I'm just <br />moving through the document. So we have 5.5 which is the end of <br />5 and then we get to rule 6 and there as well...there are the <br />changes recommended that would follow the Maui version. <br />Correct? <br />Yeah. <br />And so I'm just asking if there's any questions in...for rule 6. <br />Well I don't know if the Maui. The Maui seems sort of long. I <br />was going to suggest adding sections from the other islands but I <br />mean things like I would propose adding nothing herein. This is <br />on the Honolulu...nothing herein shall prevent a legal counsel <br />from investigating possible violations of the standards of conduct <br />that are not stated in the complaint and are which are based on <br />21 <br />