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n right now only, I guess, SMAs, shoreline setbacks and special permits go directly to court. The rest, use permits, I guess use permits are the only ones that go to the Board of Appeals. But now everything, all of those permits would go to, would go directly to court, which would mean now that we would be holding contested case hearings on use permits in addition to special permits, shoreline setback variances and SMAS. MCINTOSH: Okay. Then you have to balance that with the cost of going to court as opposed of going to the Board of Appeals. It does clean up the process and I don't disagree with it. But I also want to clarify that when you say variance and special exception appeals process, that means if you grant a variance and someone wants to appeal it, it goes directly to the Board of Appeals. It doesn't come to the Planning Commission first. Now the streamlining process I agree with, having served on the Board of Appeals for a couple of years. But I really think we need to look at an alternative solution for the legal counsel situation. GIANNINI: Okay. That would be, that would be something that could be brought up to the Council when this goes up. And, also, well, and another reminder is that as you were saying of having the whole thing taken out of the County government I would just, just as a warning, that would involve both privatization and procurement questions which I don't want to get into. MCINTOSH: We're going to get that walk out, we're going to get that walk out. TANAKA: Mr. Chairman, along those lines of discussion, what would it take to have all the appeals whether it's, from the Planning Commission which can be eliminated, majority of, or the Planning Director, go straight to a judicial body, all of them? So it would be eliminating the body in its entirety. And as far as the cost that Commissioner McIntosh, I mean, the attorneys appear in court anyway, right? So what do we do, reduce some of that? GIANNINI: Well, the problem of, with eliminating the Board of Appeals, what it would mean is that in order for something to go to the court it would mean that every single decision made by the Planning Director would have to be done in the opportunity for a full contested case, and then appealed. GOLDSTEIN: And then the items that could be appealed, the items that goes to the Chief Engineer and the Planning Director, those kinds of actions sometimes involve real specific Code provisions that it would be far easier for a citizen to go and appeal before the Board of Appeals, rather than to go directly to court over a matter that we maybe, yeah, would be better served, the public would be better served, I think. SOUZA: Mr. Chairman? BALOG: Commissioner Souza.